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LSU鈥檚 second-longest-serving professor, Max Z. Conrad, is about to retire from teaching. His long career traces the outlines, primarily in pencil, of an ambitious America since the 1940s and World War II as science shaped a victorious nation toward the beautiful and the bold鈥攁nd the better, mostly.

鈥淵ou always need a sharp pencil and a good eraser,鈥� Conrad said.

Recruited by Robert 鈥淒oc鈥� Reich to help build LSU鈥檚 nation-leading landscape architecture program in 1966, one of Conrad鈥檚 signature efforts has been taking students on international field trips to explore the wonders and woeful errors of urban and regional planning all around the world. The stately Taj Mahal in India; the quiet Lingering Garden in Suzhou, China; and the bustling Copacabana in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Landscape architecture is not the same as landscaping, Conrad is always quick to explain. Instead, it鈥檚 the purposeful design of land, water, and plants to nudge nature into useful balance with the wants and needs of people as they live, work, and move around.

鈥淎s soon as you get outside the skin of a building, you have landscape architecture,鈥� Conrad said. 鈥淪ome people think landscape architecture is only decorative, but that鈥檚 like referring to interior design as 鈥榩illow-fluffing.鈥� Interior designers are not decorators, just like we鈥檙e not landscapers.鈥�

鈥淲e deal with living materials and plants, and plants are very important. Not only for decorative purposes, but to shape spaces and make them useful as well as beautiful.鈥�

Max Conrad

In America, landscape architecture emerged as a discipline with the creation of public gardens and parks, the most notable being New York鈥檚 Central Park in 1858. Designed by Frederick Law Olmsted, the father of American landscape architecture and co-founder of the American Society of Landscape Architects (which awarded Conrad the Jot D. Carpenter Teaching Medal in 2013), Central Park was created to bring health and fresh air to all residents of the growing metropolis and help ease socioeconomic tensions tied to the tenements and wealth disparities. In 1921, it was Olmsted鈥檚 sons who designed LSU鈥檚 flagship campus in Baton Rouge. They also designed Stanford, which is the primary reason the two campuses look, well, like brothers. Much later, landscape architecture would contribute to the development of Geographic Information Systems, or GIS, combining its original focus on human and environmental health with deeper, data-driven analysis of the hydrology, topography, and vegetation of places.

Conrad鈥檚 story began in New Orleans, Louisiana, and stretched west to California before he returned home to pursue his bachelor鈥檚 degree in landscape architecture 星空无限传媒 between 1957 and 1961. After that, he was off to Harvard Graduate School of Design, receiving his Master of Landscape Architecture in 1963. In Boston, he also learned computer programming鈥攁 brand-new discipline at the time鈥攁t neighboring MIT. Next, he joined NASA at the height of the Space Race, working in Huntsville, Alabama, home to Army Missile Command and Marshall Space Flight Center. 

As soon as he arrived at NASA, Conrad drew the original master plan for the NASA Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans, also known as 鈥淎merica鈥檚 rocket factory.鈥� The Saturn rockets for the Gemini and Apollo programs in the 1960s and 鈥�70s were built there, and the Space Launch System is being constructed there today for the ongoing Artemis program. Much of this work relies on LSU equipment and support through its National Center for Advanced Manufacturing, or NCAM. Meanwhile, Conrad鈥檚 collegues in the LSU College of Art & Design and the Digital Media Arts & Engineering program are collaborating with NASA on the development of the first real-time virtual representation, or digital twin, of the two-million-square-foot Michoud facility to optimize the mission-critical work that takes place within its physical walls through computational modeling.

Now, let鈥檚 retrace Conrad鈥檚 story in his own words.

Not everything comes up roses

鈥淔rom the time I was a little kid, I was fascinated by flowers. While we lived surrounded by cemeteries near New Orleans City Park, a friend of the family was living out on Metairie Ridge and had a little farm. He was a cabinet maker like my grandfather. They worked for New Orleans Public Service, or NOPSI, to fix the seats for the streetcars and that kind of stuff. But his family background was in farming, so he knew how to grow things. He could graft and prune and do what鈥檚 called budding, where you grow one plant on another plant. He was an accomplished amateur horticulturist, and he would take me to his house where he grew roses.鈥�

鈥淚 became fascinated with roses. I started growing them and breeding them鈥攕aved what little money I had to buy more. I got very good at it. Meanwhile, he was a member of the New Orleans Rose Society, so he鈥檇 take me with him. He was a very nice person. I was just a little kid, and it was generally all older people who鈥檇 do things like belong to rose societies. They even made me an honorary vice president! Eventually, in fifth grade, I won a prize for a rose that I grew.鈥�

鈥淭hat blue ribbon was my deepest, darkest secret because boys didn鈥檛 grow roses, right? I always did stuff that wasn鈥檛 boy stuff. Just wasn鈥檛 interested, and never played sports. To this day, I don鈥檛 know anything about it.鈥�

鈥淲ell, they published the winners in the paper. My teacher saw the article and spilled the beans and outed me鈥� 鈥業 want to tell the class that Max is in the paper... He won a price for a rose that he grew...鈥� I鈥檇 been exposed. From then on, I was called Rosebud.鈥�

Z, but not for Zorro

鈥淢y father worked at the Times-Picayune, the local newspaper in New Orleans, because his uncle Charlie was one of the bigger wheels there. My daddy鈥檚 name is Charlie, too. This was during the Depression, and my father was in the photo engraving department. Putting a picture in the paper was complicated at the time. You had to take a picture, and it had to be converted into little dots, like pixels, and transferred. One of the artists there鈥攖hey had real artists who would make beautiful sketches and diagrams鈥攚as named Capone. He was Italian. His first name was Zeph, short for Zephirin. 鈥楾hat鈥檚 my lucky name!鈥� Zeph would always say, and I was named after him.鈥�

鈥淚鈥檝e been lucky all my life. I鈥檝e been run over by a couple of people. Had my leg broken and my head bashed in. But I survived. You鈥檙e lucky if you survive.鈥�

Max Conrad

It came in the mail one day

鈥淲hen I was a kid, I always loved to get mail. It was a big thrill. You could get a postcard for a penny and believe it or not, the post office would deliver it. You could send off for stuff that would come in the mail for free, and I鈥檇 send off to get anything.鈥�

鈥淥ne day, a magazine showed up. Never had one prior. It was a magazine from the Chrysler automobile company. On the back cover, there was an upside-down picture, and the title was 鈥楾he School That Is Upside Down.鈥� It was Cal Poly, near Los Angeles, in a place called San Dimas, which is backed by Pomona and now a big campus. At the time, it was a tiny little school.鈥�

鈥淎t the bottom of the page, they described how the students all learned by doing鈥攂uild stuff and grow flowers. Ah, flowers鈥� I鈥檇 watched, on early television, the Rose Parade. The students would design the floats and grow the flowers and put them on the floats. That鈥檚 all it took. I got a postcard and wrote off: 鈥業鈥檓 interested in your school. Could I come study horticulture and learn about growing flowers?鈥欌赌�

It is 1956. President Dwight D. Eisenhower is reelected and signs the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956, creating the U.S. Interstate Highway System. The hard disk drive is invented by an IBM team. An American Lockheed U-2 reconnaissance aircraft makes its first flight over the Soviet Union. In Louisiana, the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway opens, while 星空无限传媒 Southern University both establish campuses in New Orleans.

Hunger and love for Monday mornings

鈥淐al Poly had two campuses at the time. One in San Luis Obispo, where they didn鈥檛 have space for me in the dormitories, and one in San Dimas, where there was space. It was an inexpensive school, and the California students paid zero tuition. To get there, I learned I could get a Greyhound bus ticket to go anywhere in the U.S. for $99. So, I didn鈥檛 take the direct route to California from Louisiana. I bought a ticket that went the longest possible route.鈥�

鈥淥nce I made it to Las Vegas, I got worried. I had this dream of California as the land of flowers and roses, but I鈥檇 only seen California in movies, which were fake. Remember鈥攖here was no internet at the time. Had I been wrong?! I looked at the map and saw Las Vegas was very close to San Dimas. 鈥楾his looks bad...鈥欌赌�

鈥淥nce I got to the campus, the dormitories weren鈥檛 open, but the guy who came to pick me up at the bus station knew of one that was, and it belonged to the football team. I thought, 鈥楴ow I鈥檓 in serious trouble鈥︹�� I knew nothing about sports, and the idea of hazing was terrifying to me. 鈥榃hat are these guys going to do to me?鈥欌赌�

鈥淚 was starving when these giants entered the room. But they were the nicest guys you鈥檇 ever meet, and they knew where the cafeteria was and took me to dinner.鈥�

鈥淣ow, being a Louisiana guy, I鈥檇 never had plain cooking, and this was plainer than plain. The stuff looked unrecognizable to me but being hungry helped. I鈥檇 eat anything, even cottage cheese! I鈥檇 never seen that before. At home, we had Creole cream cheese.鈥�

Max Conrad

鈥淏ut this was a commuter college. Only a few people were left on the campus on the weekend, while everybody else went home, so the cafeteria closed. The people who had money and a car, they鈥檇 go off and buy food. I didn鈥檛, I鈥檇 arrived with a bicycle. So, what did I do? The campus was in the middle of orange groves and avocado orchards. You can eat only so many oranges in a weekend, and the avocados weren鈥檛 ripe yet. It got to where I couldn鈥檛 face another orange. It would make me ill. But I discovered that if you lie in bed and don鈥檛 move, you don鈥檛 get too hungry. So, every weekend I starved, and learned to love Monday mornings.鈥�

It is 1957 and the Space Race begins with the launch of the Soviet satellite Sputnik 1, the first artificial satellite to orbit the Earth, and then Sputnik 2 with the dog Laika on board and no technology available to return her to Earth. IBM sells the first compiler for the brand-new FORTRAN (FORmula TRANslation) programming language. In Louisiana, Hurricane Audrey demolishes Cameron Parish, killing 400 people.

Becoming a Tiger

鈥淪omehow, I made it to the end of the year at Cal Poly, but during Christmas break, when I was able to come home, I thought, 鈥楳aybe I can鈥檛 starve another semester. Maybe I鈥檒l go see about LSU.鈥欌赌�

鈥淚 looked at the course catalogue, but LSU offered only general horticulture, not ornamental horticulture. It covered strawberries and sweet potatoes and all kinds of crops, not just flowers. LSU being an agricultural and mechanical college, you also had to take a course in animal husbandry and organic chemistry. That didn鈥檛 sound good to me. But I kept coming across something in the catalogue named landscape design鈥攊t wasn鈥檛 called landscape architecture yet.鈥�

鈥淚 was told to go see this guy; I thought his name was Dr. Riche, not Reich. It was a one-room schoolhouse, but when Doc saw an opportunity to recruit somebody for his tiny little schoolhouse, he recruited you. He just signed me up!鈥�

Max Conrad

鈥淩eich brought me to the studio and showed me the drawings on the wall that looked very much like my idea of California. I thought to myself, 鈥楾his is it鈥擨鈥檓 in the right spot! This is just like Cal Poly, but with food.鈥欌赌�

鈥淏ut I didn鈥檛 notice one little detail. I had to take two years of architecture first鈥� Reich couldn鈥檛 teach everything, so he let the architects teach. Well, all I could see in my brain was the plants, and that overshadowed everything. I said, 鈥極kay, I鈥檒l learn how to draw a house鈥︹�� That was my idea of architecture at the time.鈥�

鈥淚t was a big class. Must have been 120 people. The other students already knew mechanical drafting, while I knew zero. My first project, I didn鈥檛 know graphite will smear. Well, it smeared. I made a black drawing. I was an A student prior to this, but I didn鈥檛 get an A, B, C, D, or an F. I got a zero, and it said, 鈥楰YPS NCC.鈥� What the heck did that mean!? 鈥楰eep your pencils sharp鈥攏ot college caliber.鈥� But somehow, I persevered and learned to like it.鈥�

It is 1961. John F. Kennedy is sworn in as president and sets the national goal of 鈥渓anding a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth鈥� before the end of the decade, launching the Apollo program under then-nascent NASA; Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin shocks America by becoming the first human in space, orbiting the Earth once before parachuting to the ground, while Alan Shepard becomes the first American in space not even a month later. In New Orleans, the desegregation of public schools continues with Ruby Bridges spending her first year at William Frantz Elementary in the Upper Ninth Ward.

Going to Harvard

鈥淗ow did I go to Harvard? That was luck. I was a guy who had no money to go. But Doc鈥攐r the Wizard of LSU, as I call him, because he would cast his spell and then you did whatever Doc wanted you to do鈥攈e wanted me to go to Harvard.鈥�

鈥淚 had no desire to go to Harvard. After graduating from LSU, I wanted to travel, and this LSU architecture teacher I liked very much, Bertram Berenson, found out. He tried to help me. He said, 鈥榊ou should go to officer candidate school in the Navy because officers get to travel, and when the boat arrives, you can get off and see things.鈥� That鈥檚 all he had to say. I applied and through some miracle I was able to pass the test. The math problem dealt with navigation, which I鈥檇 never done, but through some luck, I got it right using the Pythagorean theorem. It came to my rescue, and I was assigned to officer candidate school.鈥�

鈥淲ell, the Wizard of LSU discovered this, and he was a pacifist. 鈥楴o!鈥� he said. 鈥榊ou鈥檙e not joining the Navy鈥攜ou鈥檙e going to Harvard Graduate School of Design.鈥� 鈥楴o, Doc,鈥� I said. 鈥業 already signed the contract.鈥欌赌�

鈥淣ext thing, I get a letter from the Commandant of the Navy. It read, 鈥楧r. Reich spoke to us, and we would prefer to have you after you graduate from graduate school. Goodbye.鈥� So, Doc got me out of a contract with the federal government. Wizard, right?鈥�

鈥淭hen, 鈥楧oc, I can鈥檛 go to Harvard鈥擨 don鈥檛 have the money鈥︹�欌赌�

鈥淟SU at the time, the tuition was $35 per semester, and my father would go knock on one of the state legislator鈥檚 doors and beg for what was called a legislative fee exemption scholarship so we wouldn鈥檛 have to pay the $35.鈥�

Max Conrad

鈥淚n my family, $35 was a lot of money. My dad made a low salary, $4,000 a year, and I didn鈥檛 realize we were as poor as we were because it was just normal. Harvard, meanwhile, was $3,000.鈥�

鈥溾�榃rite to Mr. Sasaki,鈥� Doc said. He was the head of the Harvard Graduate School of Design and the founder of the Sasaki firm, which was the biggest firm in the U.S. at the time. Doc said, 鈥榃rite to Mr. Sasaki and tell him you need a scholarship.鈥� So out of respect for Doc, I had to write. Sasaki responded: 鈥業鈥檓 sorry, Max, but we don鈥檛 buy students at Harvard...鈥� So, I went to Doc again. 鈥楧oc, they can鈥檛 give me a scholarship.鈥� Again, the Wizard goes to work... Next, I get another letter from Mr. Sasaki. 鈥楳ax, we will give you a scholarship and you can work in my office to earn extra money.鈥� The spell was cast鈥︹��

鈥淣ext, I had to tell my father, who never graduated from 8th grade. 鈥業鈥檓 going to Harvard, but I only have enough money to last me two months.鈥� He said, 鈥榃ell, you run out of money, you鈥檝e been to Harvard for two months.鈥欌赌�

Going to MIT

鈥淲hile at Harvard, I lived in a shared attic room in an old Victorian house. The guy who lived there with me was always wrapped in a blanket, reading. 鈥楪eorge, what story are you reading?鈥� 鈥極h, it鈥檚 not a story.鈥� It was page after page of mathematical formulas, and he鈥檚 going, 鈥楢hhh鈥� amazing鈥︹�� He was at MIT.鈥�

鈥淟ater, I also became a student at MIT, for one class. They had these guys at Harvard who developed GIS, the geographic information system. It was in its infancy then; they were the first developers, and everybody wanted to know about it. I went up and sat with them and begged for information. One guy said, 鈥業 cannot speak to you unless you can program in FORTRAN and use the WATFOR compiler.鈥� At the time, at both Harvard and MIT, you could cross-register at either school. So, I said, 鈥業鈥檓 going to MIT!鈥欌赌�

鈥淭he way they taught the class was interesting. The programming was too complicated to explain. You just had to do it to figure it out. She鈥檇 come in and give an assignment. 鈥楧o the Fibonacci numbers.鈥� I didn鈥檛 even know what those were, but everyone else did. I was the only non-MIT person in the class, but I managed to do some FORTRAN programming. I even built a program to calculate the interest on my bank account over so many years. I learned just enough to do elementary stuff in GIS, and later, when I came back to LSU, I did that here. Everything was on a punch card. You鈥檇 punch in your program and a card would come out and you鈥檇 bring that to the university computer鈥攖here was only one computer on this campus then, and it cost $6 million鈥攁nd they would run your program for you and you would get the output back the next day and they would look at you and say, 鈥楽on, you have an error! You missed a comma.鈥� That meant starting all over again.鈥�

It is 1963. President John F. Kennedy gives his 鈥淚ch bin ein Berliner鈥� speech in West Berlin, Germany, and is assassinated in Dallas, Texas. The U.S. and the Soviet Union establish the so-called red telephone, a direct communications link between the Pentagon in Washington and the Kremlin in Moscow that was never red nor a phone, but actually a teleprinter or fax machine, now replaced by email. Martin Luther King Jr. delivers his 鈥淚 Have a Dream鈥� speech during the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, and NASA launches the world鈥檚 first synchronous satellite, which appears to always stay in the same position in the sky.

Joining NASA

鈥淲hen I was at Harvard, so was one of my classmates from LSU, named Terry Schnadelbach. He had graduated a year after me in architecture and we were both from New Orleans. For Christmas, we borrowed a friend鈥檚 car and drove home. After Christmas, Terry said, 鈥榃e can stop in Huntsville and spend the night at my brother鈥檚 house. He works for NASA.鈥欌赌�

鈥淲hen we got there, Terry鈥檚 brother said, 鈥楳y boss wants to meet you.鈥� His name was Hannes Luehrsen and we saw all these pictures on the wall of rockets launchers. I thought, 鈥楳y God, it鈥檚 real鈥︹�� and Luehrsen, who was German, said, 鈥�Ven you graduate, you vant to come vork for me?鈥欌赌�

鈥淚 didn鈥檛 know what I鈥檇 do there, but Terry鈥檚 brother Bert had also graduated in landscape architecture from LSU, several years before us, and he was working in something called the master planning office.鈥�

鈥淲hen it came time for me to graduate, Bert said, 鈥楽end your application in.鈥� Miracle of miracles, they offered me a job! People came from all over to interview me, although I didn鈥檛 know what for exactly. On the application, they asked, 鈥楬ow much do you want the salary to be?鈥� You realize鈥擨 was a starving student at the time. Never had money. Always hungry. So, I put $9,000.鈥�

鈥淚 ended up in Huntsville in the heat of summer, and for the first time in my life, I could go to the Winn-Dixie store and buy whatever I wanted. That was my big day. Finally, I could have food.鈥�

鈥淲hat did I buy? Artichokes. I knew what they were because I鈥檓 from New Orleans, and they were giving the things away! No one was buying them. At the checkout, this little girl said, 鈥榃hat do you do with them things?鈥� I said, 鈥榃ell, you throw most of it away,鈥� and she said, 鈥業 see鈥攜ou throw them away.鈥� They didn鈥檛 know what artichokes were in Huntsville.鈥�

鈥淗untsville at the time, we called it Hunt鈥檚 Patch, because it was a little cotton mill town. Our building, which was converted to the NASA office, had been a cotton mill, and most of the people there had been working in the cotton mill.鈥�

鈥淚 was lucky to get an apartment鈥攖here just weren鈥檛 many鈥攁nd I had to learn how to cook. I made some awful stuff but learned gradually.鈥�

鈥淲ith NASA during Apollo, budgets seemed unlimited. Our office employed professional artists, and some of the plans, they painted it like an artist painting鈥攊t wasn鈥檛 just a sketch. But it all had to happen at high speed. If we didn鈥檛 meet a deadline, they would lock us in the office and not let us out. Everything became possible because we were in the Space Race with Russia.鈥�

Max Conrad

The Michoud Master Plan

鈥淢ichoud was my first job, my very first. We flew down to New Orleans and visited the site. There was the big Michoud factory to build glider airplanes for World War II, but the war had ended before they could fly any of them out. They even had a runway in the back that couldn鈥檛 be used anymore because there were now obstacles in the flight path, like a new bridge.鈥�

鈥淟ots of our work at Michoud was figuring out how to get the rockets and the people in and out. There were so many people working there, we had to create interchanges to get them on and off the interstate.鈥�

鈥淥ur job was to design a place that could assemble the future Nova rocket. They were working on the Saturn V rocket at the time, which got its name from its five engines, but it hadn鈥檛 been tested yet to fly with the engines inside. As it turned out, the engines were much more powerful than anyone had anticipated, and the Nova was supposed to be an even bigger rocket.鈥�

鈥淭he Nova couldn鈥檛 be built on land. It had to be built on water and then floated to Florida via Mississippi Test Flight up in Picayune. You鈥檝e heard of Stennis Space Center鈥攖hat鈥檚 what it鈥檚 called now. To get there, you had to cross the new I-10 interstate highway with this huge barge with a rocket on top of it. That鈥檚 why that鈥檚 the only place in the interstate system that has a bridge. The interstate system is supposed to have clear access, no obstacles, because it鈥檚 a miliary road as well鈥攊t was built by Eisenhower after seeing the German autobahn. But the Nova was going to be so big, it couldn鈥檛 get under the road. They had to raise the bascule.鈥�

鈥淚 remember when they tested just one Saturn V engine in Huntsville because everybody went for the event. What you can鈥檛 hear when you see a launch on TV is the real sound. It can鈥檛 be recorded because you can鈥檛 hear it. You can only feel it. It鈥檚 a low frequency that hammers you鈥攊t pounds your chest.鈥�

Max Conrad

鈥淎fter that test, I got a message that read, 鈥楧o not mention the Nova. It鈥檚 canceled.鈥� The Saturn was so strong, they realized they didn鈥檛 need the bigger Nova. But the bridge and the plan we鈥檇 worked on had already been made.鈥�

鈥淪o, I designed a facility on water where they could assemble the rocket, put the pieces and different stages together, and stand it up. That required a special building, and it had to have a lock. You had to float the barge in and then drain the water out so the barge could settle down within the building. Then they鈥檇 flood it again to float the barge out. A standard lock鈥攜ou go through a gate, the gate closes, and the water goes up and down鈥攂etween the assembly building and the intracoastal canal.鈥�

鈥淢ichoud was a truly giant factory. People who worked there had to run around on bicycles, it was so big. So, you had to have a road. You had to have parking. Simple stuff, but it had to be designed. And Michoud is in a very low area of New Orleans, so drainage was an issue. We needed to figure out how to get the water out.鈥�

鈥淭hat old runway they had for the World War II gliders led to an argument with von Braun, because he knew how to fly a plane. He would fly into the New Orleans Lakefront Airport, but then he looked at our plan and saw the runway and said, 鈥�Ahhh! I vill fly to Michoud!鈥� It became a big battle. We finally had to go meet with the Federal Aviation Administration to get the official no. It was obvious to us that he couldn鈥檛 use the runway. When you land a plane, you must have an approach that doesn鈥檛 have any obstacles on it, such as a high-level bridge to Chalmette! So, we had to get the FAA to convince von Braun he couldn鈥檛 fly into Michoud. But he was stubborn, fearless.鈥�

鈥淚n Peenem眉nde, von Braun and Luehrsen were friends who double-dated together. To pick up Luehrsen, von Braun would land his plane in Luehrsen鈥檚 neighbor鈥檚 potato field and destroy part of the crop. The neighbor wasn鈥檛 happy, but that gives you an idea of what von Braun was like. But he was high up in society, so he did whatever he wanted. Well, we finally convinced him.鈥�

Bananas

鈥淥ne thing I knew how to make, or bake, was a banana cake. The Germans I worked with went crazy over it. I made it the way my mother made it, with yellow cake mix and fresh sliced bananas in the layers and just a little bit of icing to stick things together. No icing was on the outside. You use very ripe bananas because they have the most taste, and then you wrap it up in plastic wrap and put it in the refrigerator for a couple of days. With time, the banana permeates the cake, and the Germans went crazy over it. 鈥�Max! You must make the banana cake!鈥� They loved their coffee and cake.鈥�

It is 1964. The second of two Mars flyby attempts by NASA returns the very first photos of another planet from deep space; launch of the IBM System/360 enables computing for both commercial and scientific applications, defining the basic unit of memory, the byte, as 8 bits.

Around the world in 285 days

 鈥淎fter the Michoud project, I really wanted to travel. That鈥檚 when I applied for the Charles Eliot Traveling Fellowship, and in early 1964, I won. I got $3,000 for travel in Europe for at least six weeks. I added my Huntsville savings and ended up traveling for nine and a half months. I circumnavigated the globe; I went everywhere.鈥�

鈥淓ventually, I started getting letters from NASA. 鈥榃e want you to come back.鈥� I鈥檇 just said, 鈥楢dios!鈥� when I left, and didn鈥檛 want to go back to Hunt鈥檚 Patch. But I鈥檇 already stretched the money as far as I could鈥擨 was starving, and they offered me $13,000.鈥�

鈥淚t was around that time I started getting offers from Dr. Reich to come teach at LSU, which I also had no desire in the world of doing at the time. All I wanted was to travel, but finally, I told Doc I鈥檇 come back for one spring semester to help, just temporarily. That was in 1966, and I鈥檓 still here.鈥�